More 2 Marketing

Susan
More to marketing. Welcome to more to marketing, our podcast on marketing, product and everything in between. I’m your host, Susan, and today we’re going to be talking about a special topic. Memory. Everyone needs to have a great memory, no matter if it’s in your private life or for business. So I thought memory would be a really interesting topic to delve into with my very special guest today, Venkat. Venkat has been working in the corporate landscape with some of the most amazing brands you can think of in Australia, however. He decided to explore his passion while helping others. As part of this, he’s become a practitioner of memory mastery and Venkat has been helping people relieve their anxiety along this journey. Welcome.
Venkat
Thanks, Susan. It’s an absolute pleasure to be here.
Susan
Now I’m so excited to have you here, particularly this topic because I definitely need help and memory. But tell us a bit more about yourself and your experience.
Venkat
Ohh OK, I’ve had a very diverse career, so when I started my career it was as. A fashion designer.
Venkat
And that was back home in India and I did a little bit of globetrotting sourcing fashion products for various organisations across India, China, Sri Lanka and the Southeast Asia and. Importing it back into Australia new. And and but it during the 2000s, the supply chain shrank and I was getting redundant every two years because the organisations didn’t need me anymore. After I had set up the supply chain. So I decided to time to change my career. So I did my MBA and moved across to strategy and consulting. And I have been doing that strategy consulting transformation for a big telco for the last nine years. And along the way I realised that my grey sales were fading out after a few years of marriage and I decided, OK, I need to find somebody to. Help me with my memory and so I found a guy who was a a gentleman who was a Guinness Book record holder for memory and. He was quite gracious enough to teach me his techniques and strategies, and he said if you want to keep it alive, you should teach others and that’s how I jumped into training other people with for developing a good memory.
Susan
I love this. I love that it was something you struggled with and recognised and that you found the best of the best mentors and now I want to share it with others. I think that’s absolutely beautiful.
Venkat
Thank you.
Susan
So. What is so important about memory?
Venkat
So memories actually, the essence of human life. Now, if I were to give you a real experience I’ve had of it. So that explains this thing better. A few years ago, when I was starting off on this memory journey, I wanted to understand. Why is memory so important myself? So I went to this organisation which had a lot of old people and some of them were suffering from dementia, lymes disease, Alzheimer’s, etcetera. And in interacting with one of the ladies who was diagnosed with lyme’s disease. She forgot. Her key somewhere, and she forgot her. Own mobile number. OK, she wanted to give it to me so that I could help her with developing some techniques to keep her memory alive. But she forgot. Her phone number and she forgot her. Piece and at that moment I could see the panic in her eyes, the flutter of what she was going through, because just not remembering your identity was is was so painful for her, and she was in almost on the verge of a panic attack. Memory is.
Venkat
Absolutely essential for the most basic of human needs, which is our own identity. Apart from that, everything we do think, feel is based on our experiences and our memory. It is essential for learning and education. It is essential for social interaction, problem solving and decision making. It is essential for skill retention. Talk about even navigating the environment, creativity, innovation, health and well being. The cultural transmission the OR the list can go on, so memory is absolutely essential for everything.
Susan
And and one of those things that you hear along the ways is your brain is like a muscle you need to exercise it so that that sounds like that is very true statement. Then when we when you enter all those examples of where you actually need to have good memory recall.
Venkat
Oh. Absolutely. That’s right.
Susan
Now I know. That you’ve been working in this area for a while and learned some amazing techniques. Are you able to share what the six techniques are that you love to focus on when you’re assisting with memory strategy?
Venkat
Uh, sure. So one of the most fundamentals that we all learn learned from an early age is repetition right now. What I focus on is of course, repetition is one part of it, but visualisation is a technique which underpins a lot of the other techniques. There are basic things which we pick up around neonics. I focus on that. There is a new technique I’ve developed called the Phils method, which stands for funny image linking and story, and that’s what we’ll work on today, by the way, and.
Susan
Yeah. Yes, everyone you’ve heard right. There will be a demonstration in this podcast.
Venkat
And I teach the palace method, which is a very common technique for memory. Look, most of the memory masters use it. Number phonetics is something again which is very unique and names and faces of course. How do you remember names and faces like different techniques to remember names and faces. There’s six different strategies. So.
Susan
If I think I need that last one the most because I am terrible and I never mean to. I’m terrible at remembering names with face. It’s it’s not that I don’t want to remember. It just goes out of my mind. I remember other things. Like they’ve got two kids. They love dogs. They went on a holiday to. I know LA recently I remember all. That Ralphie their name. So I’m definitely wanting to get that tip off you as well on how to strategy strategies that.
Venkat
That’s right. And and. The the trick is that. If you think about how memory is formed, right? So 80% of so we get information from our environment that fires into our brain and it comes from our visual organ, which is our eyes, our auditory, which is our ears, our kinesthetics like touch olfactory, which is our smell, and gustatory, which is a taste. So these. Five hours, sorry and basically feed information into our brain and what happens is that 80% of the information that we feed in is V. So. So that’s why you can remember faces, but the name is actually a written word, right? And so it’s not something that you will see every time. So if I tell you onion, you would be seeing an onion in your mind, you would not be seeing the word onion. So that’s why it’s hard to remember names. And link with faces so.
Susan
So please tell me you’re not telling me I need to lick people as. Well, for the the taste part. I was getting worried for a second.
Venkat
It’s a choice you have.
Susan
So can you elaborate on how memory training makes an individual more adept at problem solving? Like what examples can you show there and how this can help with problem solving?
Venkat
Sure. So the memory training it just basically like marketing framework like you have the four P’s, so you have the Six’s etcetera. So memory strategies also a set of frameworks. But when you apply the frameworks by recalling the past experience and the outcomes of previous decisions, we can actually make better informed choices. So if we are able to remember not only ours, but others, past experiences, the semantic information, etc. And recall it easily when we have a need, then it makes problem solving much easier. So for example. Couple couple of years ago I was working with a student student of mine and she’s 10 years at that stage and I thought of these strategies and after that we forgot all about it. I haven’t been in touch now recently. Her mom connected with me again and she actually gave me some feedback. So she she actually asked her daughter. Are you really? Using the memory technique. Anywhere, and her daughter said. Ohh yeah, I am so I was actually struggling with so she’s taken French as a language this year and she was struggling beginning of the year with learning French and then she realised that she has this framework of memory learning in her toolkit which she can apply and she started using it. And she’s now acing French. French is now one of her favourite subject, and she loves it, so that’s sort of an example of how you can use this toolkit to apply in different situations.
Venkat
To do problem solving, one of the techniques I I I have done the same thing. One of my clients wanted to learn Russian, so I learned Russian. I learned to how to learn Russian in a day and I taught my daughter spend my client in two hours and she was able to pick it up and. Run easily with it and she she she wanted to surprise her husband, who’s Ukrainian, by the way. She’s a Bangladesh. She goes and so she she. Was able to speak with him in Russian and surprise him so in in a matter of hours. So that’s how powerful the techniques are.
Susan
Ohh wow, that that’s just insane. I’m I’m having horrible flashbacks of my Spanish classes at school, so maybe you need to go and teach education department this. We could cut out half a year worth of Spanish.
Venkat
I I look, I looked into the teachers though, like they have a. Huge workload to manage and what they go through. Yeah, it’s it’s a difficult life being a teacher.
Susan
And you’d think that a school like that that you’ve got demonstrated student now applying and excelling, the subject, that that would be maybe something that teaches or the education system would look at helping giving these kind of tools to to help the students feel more comfortable, less anxious and actually. Feeling like they’re achieving something as well.
Venkat
I would love to actually to see that happen sometime in the future in the near future. That.
Susan
Yeah. So with the mind that needs to be regularly exercised, are there any simple everyday activities that we should consider doing that you think would be really helpful?
Venkat
Sure. So memory has got three things, right. So you you have to register information you have to retain it and you have to recall it. Now. The six strategies I was teaching was more about registering information, but then recall is something that’s absolutely essential. So what I tell my clients is that you have to recall and there are three types of recall you have. You can do an instant recall. You can do a random recall or a daily. Recall. So when you find some idle time if. You go back. Into your past and recall an information that you really need even when you’re sitting idle. Right? So it’s. It improves your memory, it it significantly and I can’t stress the importance of daily recall in including journaling. So if you’re every day in the evening or first thing in the morning, if you’re writing a journal about what happened through the day, then that actually makes memory. Absolutely strong. So my dad, who was sort of who’s now 74 years old, he started writing his journals when he about six or seven years ago when I was starting on this memory journey. And at that time he was his memory was not so great. He used to forget simple things and leave things here and there. But now when I speak to him, he can recall in in detailed information to such a degree that I’m super impressed. He can just bring everything to life in his words. So yeah, so just write your journals and do daily random or instant recalls and that should make your memory really good.
Susan
And even applying that to work, the importance of doing really good minutes, even just something as simple as that, that would that exercise alone then would also help you with your memory recall, not just having a record, but for your recall too.
Venkat
Oh, absolutely, they say that the more the number of sensors you use to record information. Motion. The more your memory improves, so if you’re writing stuff down so you’re using actually your three or four senses together, and that makes it much stronger. And one of the things also I suggest to do is make A to do list in the evening rather than in the morning, so that at that time you’re actually recalling information of the day. While you’re doing it to rollers for the next day, so that sets you up early in the morning for a head start and makes your day much more productive.
Susan
Day. That’s a great tip. Thank you for sharing that. How can memory improvements help businesses and individuals? Are there any other examples that you’re able to provide?
Venkat
So one of the main benefits of memory training in a business context is that it can improve productivity. So that’s because it frees up time. So you don’t have to scroll through numerous emails. So you can you have information at your fingertips. But one of the key challenges which every individual is facing today is that the rate of change of technology is exponentially outpacing human learning. So we need to be quick and we need to be adaptable so fast. But it is almost outpacing even in the IT sector, individuals who are experts. At certain certain applications or software, even they are getting made redundant because the technology change is happening. Fast, so the human mind needs to cope up and memory training is one way where you can actually be equipped your equipping yourself to learn information faster at a much faster rate. You can do speed reading, you can store information faster and recall it at the time when you need it. And even learning complex things becomes much easier when you have some good memory. Training this is one of the most fundamental benefits of memory training in today’s day and age that I believe is very applicable in a business context.
Susan
And that that would be very powerful in, in speeding along the process of approvals as well because you’re able to recall in meetings and not have to go back and say I’ll get that back for you if it wasn’t prepared in that pack for example.
Venkat
Absolutely. That’s right.
Susan
I love it. So now it comes to the time where we’re going to have a demonstration. I am completely at your mercy. So over to you to now run the show.
Venkat
All right. OK. So I’m going to quickly give you a little tip. OK. So I mentioned before that. 80% of. Information that goes into your brain is visual, and we’re gonna just use that simple technique to remember a set of 15. Words OK? Yeah.
15 British.
Venkat
You’re gonna recall it with ease. All right, so now just work with me, OK? Let’s do you have a pen in front?
Susan
Of you, I do. I am ready, just in case.
Venkat
That’s OK, you don’t have to write anything down. Now we are going to be imaginative and creative, so just visualise your pen and make it look like it’s a funny thing. Maybe it’s devil grown hands or legs. Maybe it’s sort of speaking to you and running away from you and saying, hey, Susan, leave me. Are you able to visualise something? Funny about it.
Susan
I am. Do you want? Me to tell you what it is.
Venkat
What is yes please.
Susan
It’s turned into a rubber ducky.
Venkat
I see.
Susan
That’s funny.
Venkat
That is funny. It is. So your pen is turned into a rubber ducky and. OK, alright. It’s leaving a trail wherever it.
Venkat
Is walking OK? Yeah. Squeak. Good. Good. OK, so you’ve got some good visual imagination. So I’m gonna start throwing 15 words to you and I’ll tell you in how you got to work with them, OK? And I’m going to give you the words in pair. Now what you have to do is link them both in such a way that it’s super strange. It’s create a funny image, link it and create a story around the pairs of words. So let’s work one together. For example tyre and burger. These are the 1st 2 words by the way. Now Tyre and burger. What can you see? Feel, sense by bringing them together attire and a burger?
Susan
The first thing I honestly thought about was the Michelin man. The the actual guy they have in some of the ads that’s made of tyres, but I think he’s like that because he’s eaten so many hamburgers.
Venkat
Yes.
Venkat
OK. And maybe you you you can imagine you eating the Michelin man as like a burger, OK, and can you?
Susan
Really tasty.
Venkat
OK, just feel the taste. Of rubber in your mouth and like OK.
Susan
He tastes like burger, not rubber.
Venkat
Well, he tastes like burger. OK, so we should man. Alright, so tired and burger. OK, alright. Now I give you the word #2 and three burger and house.
Susan
Burger Tiger, tiger. OK.
Venkat
What? What visual have you got?
Susan
Well, I. I think they’re funny, but I went to McDonald’s. It was the first thing that came to my mind.
Venkat
OK, maybe make it more funny and maybe you can link your Michelin man again here.
OK, house.
Venkat
Maybe he’s crashed trying to come into your house and maybe he’s too big and.
Susan
He’s too big. To get in the house like Alice in Wonderland, he’s sticking out of it.
Venkat
OK. That’s good. So his hands and everything is sticking out of your house, so he’s stuck in your house. OK, House and rocket.
Susan
OK. Well, the first thing I thought, which was really funny because I’ve got young children, is the Michelin man’s inside the house. He farts and rockets up. You’re so funny. I have two year olds.
Venkat
OK, now here’s the trick. Let’s forget the Michelin man. We’re just working with the house and a rocker.
Susan
I know, but it’s all like like the tile, the burger, the house looking up.
Venkat
Maybe your house is farting. And it’s flying away, OK.
Susan
I’ve got the connection happening here so.
Venkat
OK, you got a connection. That’s fine. Let’s roll with it. OK. Now rocket and tongue, the next ones.
Venkat
Yes, the tongue, yeah.
Susan
It’s in tongue. Ohh so rocket tongue.
Venkat
Forget the previous story. You just look at rocket and tongue.
How do I make that funny?
Venkat
Maybe you have eaten something very spicy and it’s it’s like a rocket shooting out of your mouth. You like that? That.
Susan
That’s definitely cause I unfortunately can’t take chilli, so yes that would be very true. I’d be running for water, so I’d be rocketing away going haha that’s my tongue. So I’m standing my tongue funnily right now.
Venkat
OK. OK, OK. So you’re you’re.
Susan
Having fun watching my visuals like you. Sorry for everyone who cannot watch this video.
Venkat
OK. All right. I think you’ve got a pretty good experience what’s happening between rocket and tongue. Yeah, let’s just visualise it crystallise that image in your mouth in your mind. Sorry, not. In your mouth.
Susan
It is my mouth because it’s on fire. It’s rocketed.
Venkat
Off to my tongue? Yep, it’s rocketed off. OK, then tongue and strawberry.
Common strawberry. Something funny, that’s the problem. I’m too serious. I’ve just worked out. I’m very serious. I need more fun in my life.
Susan
I’m. I’m picturing myself, my tongue chasing after a strawberry.
Venkat
Your tongue chasing after strawberry after the after being on fire, OK?
Susan
Exactly because it wants an yummy taste cause it loves strawberry.
Venkat
OK. And imagine that there’s a giant strawberry that maybe has come in front of you and you’re starting. To lick it so.
Susan
Yeah, exactly. It’s happy. It’s no longer on fire.
Venkat
OK. Great strawberry cooling you down your tongue down, OK.
Susan
It is.
Venkat
Strawberry and cow.
Susan
Bring cat. Well, that would be that. I really need to quench my thirst when I go back that it’s been hot and spicy. My poor tongue. The strawberries not cutting it.
Venkat
Yes.
Susan
Out so I need the milk.
Venkat
OK.
Susan
So and that comes from the cow.
Venkat
So you’re you found a cow and you’re directly pumping milk into your mouth. Exactly. But, but you need to link strawberry and cow. How will you link that?
Susan
Strawberry and kale. Right. You wanna hear that? I’m just like, maybe I have to now run away from the cause. It’s trying to eat the strawberry.
Venkat
Or maybe you can imagine this big strawberry has actually developed horns and. Legs and it’s.
Susan
Turned into the cow and now I’m even more quenched. Yep.
Venkat
It’s turning. Yeah. OK. And you cannot directly take out strawberry milkshake out of it.
Susan
No, but the cow tastes like strawberry.
Venkat
OK, you got a visual. Something happening in your brain. That’s good. How it is big, pink and big cow an astronaut.
Susan
It’s pink.
Ohh astronaut the cow.
Susan
Cow. I don’t know that one. I don’t know how I can connect them to you. They’re so strange and different.
Venkat
Maybe you can visualise a cow wearing an astronaut suit.
Susan
Yeah, that’s not seen. The only thing I can think of was he becomes a comic or cow wearing an astronaut suit. He’s now floating in space.
Venkat
Yeah. Good. Good. I think that’s a good visual. So when you look at the astronaut suit, you see two horns sticking out. It’s great.
Susan
Exactly. It’s like ice is really smooshed in the glass.
Venkat
Yes, OK. OK, nice.
Susan
It’s a jersey cow, by the way. Yeah.
Venkat
Very particular a New Zealand jersey Cam, OK, astronaut and Shrek.
Susan
Astronaut and Shrek. Or Shrek eats anything.
Venkat
Looks like.
Susan
The astronaut falls into Shrek’s movie, so he falls onto Shrek.
Venkat
OK, OK. And the on to the theatre where Shrek’s movie is going on, it sort of?
Susan
Collapses. He lands on top of him, so he’s.
Venkat
Yeah. On top of Shrek on top of Shrek. Ah, nice. That’s a very the first time anybody has given that visual. Nice. OK, Shrek and hoodie.
Susan
And what a hoodie. Ohh, Shrek puts on the hoodie and covers his face, because now he’s ashamed he’s had an astronaut land on top.
Venkat
Hoodie. OK. OK. Of him and who he does it fit him or is?
Susan
It too big or small? No, it’s it’s it’s a giant giant hoodie and it covers like half of his face.
Venkat
OK. OK, a shame Shrek wearing the hoodie now hoodie and she.
Susan
And tea. Ohh hoodie.
Yes.
Susan
So he’s he wants a cup of tea, but he can’t have it. With the hoodie to turn into a cup of tea.
Venkat
Just look at the hoodie, yeah.
Susan
Can I dunk the hoodie in the tea?
Venkat
Yeah, that’s a good one. Maybe it’s shaped.
Think that’s what I would do.
Venkat
Like a teabag, yeah.
Susan
Yeah, I’m thinking I might put a sleeve because it’s giant. The sleeve goes into the tea, so it turns into tea.
Venkat
OK, good. Alright T and mobile.
Susan
T and mobile. As in mobile phone.
Venkat
Yes, yes.
Susan
Oh, Oh well. Tea pours out and morphs into a mobile.
Venkat
Ah, interesting. OK, so the chief.
Susan
So I tore it out and they’re just miraculously just like the Terminator, the liquid Terminator it then you pour it out and it turns into, it turns it into a phone.
Venkat
Wow, that’s imagination, OK? OK, wow. Alright, the mobile. Alright, mobile and danger.
Susan
Or mobile. Mobile in danger? Electrocutes people, so it’s dangerous. Because it’s made out of tea.
Venkat
So danger has got what do you see when you see danger? What symbol?
Thank you, Sir.
Venkat
Comes to your mind.
Susan
I think it’s.
The yellow triangle.
Susan
Or a flame, a red flame.
Venkat
Ohh red flame. OK, so that’s a dangerous sign. Yeah, so.
Susan
What I’m seeing? And I’m seeing like the electrical bolt as. Well.
Venkat
OK, so maybe associate one of these symbols to mobile.
Susan
I think the mobile is going to turn into a danger flame. Or a danger bomb or something like that. It will turn into danger.
Venkat
Right. OK, maybe it’s sort of bursting up in flames. So. OK.
Venkat
Now danger and TV.
Susan
Danger in TV? Well, it goes ****. And then the TV’s there.
Venkat
Mobile goes ****, burst into flames, and suddenly you see a clean here.
Susan
Yeah, it becomes dangerous. And then the TV comes through the the cloud.
Venkat
OK. All right. We’ll go with that. And the last word, TV and angry. Now angry is a funny one. It’s an emotion. So you might want to link it to something that you we don’t wanna you to see an angry person, but maybe things like Angry Birds or you seen the Angry Birds. OK.
Susan
I have with the eyebrows, OK.
Venkat
Yeah.
Susan
Well, the TV, it could have the TV show Angry Birds on there.
Venkat
OK. OK. Or maybe there’s an angry bird coming in, colliding with?
Susan
It smashes it.
Venkat
You. Yes, yes. Yes. OK. That’s a good wish.
Susan
That that’s my Cockatiel. Did that and it left a whole print on it. It was quite amusing, yes.
Venkat
All right, now let’s start recalling, OK. And just trust the system. I’ll get you started with the first one, the tyre. Just.
Susan
The tyre and then we made it into the Michelin hamburger.
Venkat
Yes. Burger. That’s correct, yes.
Susan
The burger. The burger then couldn’t fit in the house.
Venkat
No. Well done.
Susan
So the house had a problem because it was full of Michelin man burger up and then it had to break wind, so it farted. So it. Rocketed off. OK. Yes, well done. So the rocket.
Rocket rocket. Rocket.
Susan
The rocket turn into. Why was the rocket funny?
Venkat
The rocket fires and fiery.
Susan
Tongue, yes. So then I had the hot because it was hot and it was hot tongue. So then I had to chase and roll my tongue rolled after the strawberry. So I tried to have the strawberry but decided it wanted to attack a cow to get the milk. So it was turned into a cow.
Venkat
Yes.
Susan
You probably don’t want the story.
Venkat
No, that’s great. This is exactly what memory training is. It’s about having fun.
Susan
So the cow then turned into an astronaut cause I squished it in there. It was floating around the side to fall down on top of Shrek.
Susan
Yes, Rick was so embarrassed. He put on a hoodie. The hoodie looked like it really needed to get some flavour, so it dumped it into tea.
Venkat
Yeah. Yeah.
Susan
The T then decided it would roll off and pour out and morph into a mobile. The mobile then now?
Venkat
Well.
Susan
The mobile was that the fire well? The mobile turned into. Danger because I have fire and that’s danger. And then the danger went **** and TV appeared, and then the angry bird came and smashed it up. Because it.
Venkat
Danger. Yes, yes.
Venkat
Yes. Was angry. Well done. Well done. How cool was that? That was.
Susan
That was good fun. I only stumbled, I think twice.
Venkat
Done. That’s impressive. Now you want to try something else? We’re gonna do it backwards.
Susan
OK.
Venkat
Yeah.
Susan
All right. Are you ready?
Venkat
Yes.
Susan
OK. So is it angry bird TV or angry TV danger?
Venkat
Yes.
Susan
Mobile Yep, T hoodie Shrek astronaut.
Venkat
Mm-hmm.
Susan
Shoved in that cow. Strawberry. Tongue rocket.
Venkat
Yes.
Susan
You watching my hands move as I’m doing this? Because I’ve got my storyboard in. My head. Rocket house. I shoved in the Michelin man, which was actually a hamburger. It was a burger, and then the very first one was Taya.
Venkat
That’s fine. Thank you.
Venkat
Uh, it’s simple. This is the Phil Smith. It’s like funny image link and story. So you just take 2 words at a time, link them together. You don’t have to form long story because otherwise if you form a long story, you’ll forget even if there’s breaking the chain, you forget. But now you’re forming many chains and you’re linking them together.
Venkat
So that’s why it’s so simple and easy and you can do 30-40 words like this. And yeah, it’s very powerful.
Susan
Ohh. Fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing that. I had good fun with that. Hopefully it wasn’t too frustrating for everyone else to hear me trying to think that. But yeah, well one I’ve learned one I I’m a bit too serious. I need to have more of a fun side. And two, I need to watch a lot more kids shows. So I get a lot more inspiration.
Venkat
No, you’re fantastic. You’re fantastic. This is cool. That’s why I love memory training. Even my website is called Braintree Dot fun. So just because I just people have fun learning memory techniques. So.
Susan
Fantastic. I’m definitely going to be, umm, trying that one out on different things. I have my final question. For you. OK, what brands, if you could be any brand in the world, including a cow shoved into an astronaut, I don’t know what that brand’s called though. Would you best represent you and why?
Venkat
So one brand that resonates very strongly with me is the Esha brand and Esha is run by Sadhguru in South India and he’s world famous and he runs these yoga sessions et cetera. But what inspires me about the brand itself is about continuous learning. Teaching and leaving a social impact cause what I do is sort of a social enterprise. Price so I even though I earn money out of this business, I also help people who can’t pay and I don’t charge them anything and also help with my psychotherapy and help them make their lives better. So that’s what resonates very strongly with me. So yeah, Esha, it is.
Susan
Ohh lovely. I love that one. Thank you for sharing that insight into you as well. Now before we jump off for today, is there any other final insight or thought you’d like to share with us on memory?
Venkat
I think one of the key essentials is. Try and make some spare time in your life even half an hour or one hour to do nothing. And in that space, recall what you did during the day or just have fun in your own mind by just doing nothing. It’s OK to be bored and not be addicted to the phone. And during that time. You can just be finding peace in your own mind and let your mind run wild and you’ll see amazing improvement in a few days. So that’s my final trip and thank you so much for having me here. It has been absolutely fantastic working with you, Susan.
Susan
Ohh, thank you. Thank you so much. You’ve taught us so much as well. Not only about the importance of memory for everyday life, but also for business. These six techniques already that we can use as part of our strategy and we can come to you for help on that, but more importantly, die rising. Bring your journal or even minutes can help us every day just in doing those tasks to help us recall, which is very important. And one of my big tips I got out of this is do your To Do List. The day before. So you’re nice and fresh the next day because you’ve already done all your thinking and recalling the night before. So thank you again so much Venkat. This has been amazing. Thank you for not embarrassing me too much. And the demonstration. I don’t think they get those pictures out of my head for a while, which?
Susan
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